Developing Melodies

topic posted Sat, May 26, 2007 - 2:24 PM by  Guitar
hey anyone, i hope you're doing well..

i got a question for you..

how do you go about developing your melodies? and i don't mean the cadence necessarily.. i mean the actual melodies..
the up and down of the notes?
do you have any particular way that you go about doing this?
is their any technique? any mechanics? any inspiration?

anything at all that you could tell me would be of great help..

thanx

L8TR
bruce
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  • Re: Developing Melodies

    Sat, May 26, 2007 - 9:24 PM
    I recommend (if you're not adverse to a smidge of remedial music theory that is) that you learn the "do ray me ..etc." diatonic scale, and really familiarize yourself with how the intervals within this scale sound- i.e. where the half-step & whole-steps are respectively - and how they change per different key signature. If you want to study even further you can study how these half-steps & whole-steps change per different scale or mode!


    It may not seem like much, but you really are training your ear on an esoteric & subconscious level & familiarizing yourself with tones & how they are arranged. For me and many of my students this has been a great foundation for the basics of constructing songs.
    • Re: Developing Melodies

      Sat, May 26, 2007 - 9:26 PM
      btw I've used this technique to great effect for both lyric & music/notation composition
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        Sat, May 26, 2007 - 9:29 PM
        It helped me lyrically because just by virtue of familiarizing myself with intervals (how a perfect 3rd sounds as opposed to a minor 3rd for example) ... my instinctual understanding of phraseology improved tenfold as well

        as with many aspects of musical training - I find - when one improves in one area of technique, oftentimes other areas are unexpectedly improved too!
        • Re: Developing Melodies

          Sun, May 27, 2007 - 7:41 AM
          I thank a director years ago who was beating a radio jingle into us on a demo project for picking apart chords on short notice and helping many of us understand there was more going on besides a 'chromatic crunch'. Though I just bought another Yamaha keyboard for assist. on this, I feel I can read well now without being instrumentally advanced. Years of listening to Jazz-bop players in particular- helps my head and ears follow along....
  • Re: Developing Melodies

    Tue, February 19, 2008 - 9:54 PM
    Well, back to James original comment, if you have a wee bit of music training (and believe me, mine is minimal) knowing your scales and some kind of instrument helps a ton. When I get stuck or cannot figure out what to do with a melody, I'll sit down at my keyboard (again, very limited skill here on my part) and figure out what key the song is in, and then just fiddle around with the scale for that key. Go up and down the scale first then start jumping around from note to note. Not only does this help me work through to get an idea, but when it comes time to sing it I can practice with the keyboard and really clean up my notes vocally (I've polished up my pitch a lot over the years, but I still need a little help sometimes with a new melody). This may not be a quick fix, but it's what I do. Another thing I've had to learn to do is not worry about sounding like crap when I'm trying to work things out, I know sometimes when it doesn't happen right away I've had the tendency to get a bit frustrated but that's all ego and really gets in the way of being creative. I used to worry about it a lot, then my husband said he saw a video of Sting in the studio and he was freaking out and crying, saying he was going to quit music because he totally couldn't figure out what to do and he sounded really off (even more so as he got more agitated). Anyway, my point is, it's not always easy to start writing a melody and it sometimes seems downright impossible, but it WILL happen if you stick with it. Good Luck!
    • Re: Developing Melodies

      Wed, February 20, 2008 - 8:42 AM
      <<and some kind of instrument helps a ton>>

      Too true Teresa. And you don't even need to know the instrument well.

      Just well enough for your ear.
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    Re: Developing Melodies

    Tue, February 26, 2008 - 11:41 PM
    These are all really good suggestions. When I write a melody for an original chord progression, I sit down at the piano, play the starting chord and just sing around it. Sometimes I don't even have a progression, just lyrics, so I almost randomly pick a note to start with based on what feels good to sing. (Usually something in the mid to lower end of my range to give me somewhere to go later.) So what I mean by "sing around" the chord is that I'll start by singing the root and then jump to different intervals, again based on what feels good and what makes sense for the momentum of the song... Hmm... this is harder to explain than I thought... Playing and singing the scale of your key is a GREAT idea, because then you know what notes are available to you.

    If you have a chord progression already, your melody can always stay around the root and third, but a lot of times singing the fifth is really nice too. One of my teachers described the top note of each chord as the melody note. So if your chord progression is D, G, C, then your melody is A, D, G. That is simplified and of course only one option of thousands. In that chord progression, actually, which is Angel from Montgomery, the melody note actually starts on the third of the first chord.

    Your melody can always just stick to the notes that are in the accompanying chords. Then once you get comfortable with creating simple lyrical phrases, you can start incorporating other scale tones (or chromatic passing tones). Just remember to fit your melody to the instrument. If it's for a vocalist, you'd treat it like a melody for a brass instrument, where you don't want a lot of big intervallic leaps unless you're at the climax of the song. It's just hard for wind instruments to make those leaps. If your melody is for guitar, then you have a lot more leeway in the range and athleticism of your melody.

    And there is the phrasing -- the "shape" of the line. It can be a gentle curve, it can be a repeated riff, etc. But that really depends on the style of music you're playing.

    I don't know if that helped at all. Maybe if you described more what you are working with I could be more specific. It would appear that you are a guitar player, so you probably know how to solo? Then you already know how to pick notes that work with the progression, and you likely understand rhythm and phrasing. Are you writing a melody for guitar or voice?

    But above all, what has really worked for me is to just sing to myself. (I always have to be alone to do this.) With no accompaniment, just start humming or lalalalala'ing whatever comes up. Make up experimental melodies. Try to resolve them. Or don't. That way, you start to get a natural sense of where a scale is (by ear), where the intervals are, what works and what doesn't, and what sounds good to you (or not). Because ultimately I don't write a melody with my head, I write it with my voice.

    P.S. Oh, yeah, and hi from one Scorpio to another! =)
    • Re: Developing Melodies

      Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:12 PM
      I always start with the chords and then I get the feeling of it and then the melody just comes to me, sometimes along with the lyrics.
      I very rarely put melody to lyrics, I usually put lyrics to melody. it's what works for me.
    • Re: Developing Melodies

      Wed, March 5, 2008 - 12:24 PM
      Great comments Minda-

      'If it's for a vocalist, you'd treat it like a melody for a brass instrument, where you don't want a lot of big intervallic leaps unless you're at the climax of the song.'

      This is one thing I've found very challenging for my process. I like wide intervallic sweeps and leaps-I tune both my four string and six string basses in 5ths, but when I started writing and coming up with my vocal melodies I found that once I started putting them on 'paper' or recording that they were always made up of short intervals-Major/minor seconds and thirds. I'm very happy with the juxaposition within the music I'm working on, but it was really and odd thing to realize. Unless you're Bjork, generally you don't want to be all over the place with vocal melodies.

      The standard 3rd, 4th, 5th stuff work well-I try to get a 'sub melody' or counter point going too, that can add a lot.

      One more thing-You know how Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham sounded so amazing together? The TIMBRE of the voices/instruments contribute a huge amount to the actually melody.